Win7 & nVRaid - Installation Guide

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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Fernando 1 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:14 pm

mig25 wrote:I have to mention ,that on RAID it was already win7 installed on winxp...(but it couldn't start becouse of BSOD)
Maybe that was also helpful to done it. But after loading drivers i remove all what it was on it and pressed Proceed ( and installation it self created partitions ect).
Thanks for your clarification.
It would be very helpful for other users, if you would lay down the exact procedure about how you got Win7 installed onto your nForce4 P-ATA RAID array (1., 2., 3., and so on) and post it into this thread.

After having read your previous post I got another idea:
Since you were able to get the modded (=unsigned) XP drivers v6.99 installed onto Windows 7, you may even be able to get the modded Vista nForce IDE drivers v9.99.09 drivers installed, which usually are running much better with nForce4 chipset systems.
As a consequence of my idea I have prepared a specially modded version of the Vista nForce SATARAID and SATA_IDE drivers v9.99.09.
This is what I have done:
  1. I added the originally missing Device ID's of the NVIDIA nForce Parallel ATA Controllers for the following chipsets:
    • nForce4 AMD Edition
    • nForce4 Intel Edition
    • nForce 430/410 (MCP51)
    • nForce 590/570/550 (MCP55) and
    • nForce 430/405/400 (MCP61
  2. To avoid any misunderstandings by users, who are looking into the Device Manager, I renamed the devices named "NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller" to "NVIDIA nForce SATA/PATA Controller".
If you want to test these drivers, please send me a PM.

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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby RangersFan » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:55 pm

Hi, this guide is really helpful. However I seem to have a problem booting up without my Windows 7 64 bit DVD in my drive. I am running an Asus A8N-SLI Premium board with NVRAID RAID 0 on my 2 raptors. the RAID was recognized during setup and installation. But whenever I start up without the disk I will get insert boot up disk no disk recognized error. When the DVD is in the drive i'll get the press any key to boot from cd/dvd, and i'll just let it go and it'll boot from my RAID setup no problem. I'll probably end up switching back to XP anyways and use my full version copy for a new rig I plan on building but it'll be nice to solve this issue.

Asus A8N-SLI Premium, AMD Athlon 64 FX-55, 2GB OCZ Platinum PC3200 DDR, Geforce 7800GTX, 2 74GB WD Raptors RAID 0, 250GB Seagate HD.
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Fernando 1 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:14 am

@ RangersFan:

Try the following:
Run the Win7 Disk Management and check, if your boot partition has been set as "active". If not, do a right click onto the boot partition of your RAID array (with the Win7 bootloader in it) and set it to "active".
After having done that, you should be able to boot into Win7 without having the Win7 DVD within the DVD-ROM drive.

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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby RangersFan » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:46 am

Hi, thanks for the reply. I did as you said and went to the Disk Management. It said active already on it but I right-clicked anyways and set it to active. I rebooted without the disk in it and now i get this message "BOOTMGR is missing press ctrl-alt-del to restart" so im back to leaving the dvd in the drive. any other ideas? should i try re-installing it?
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Fernando 1 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:17 am

RangersFan wrote:I rebooted without the disk in it and now i get this message "BOOTMGR is missing press ctrl-alt-del to restart" so im back to leaving the dvd in the drive. any other ideas? should i try re-installing it?
That will not be necessary, Win7 Setup obviously has put the bootmanager onto the wrong place.
You can restore the bootmanager either by running the freeware tool EasyBCD (>LINK<) or by booting off the Win7 DVD and choosing the "Repair" option.

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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Batmax18 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:50 pm

Hello,

I try to install windows 7 on my DFI lanparty nforce4 ultra D. First, i put the legacy boot CD and then i load the 9.98 drivers but when i try to format i have a windows trouble : 0x80070057 impossible to format.
I don't understand i made the installations step by step, my raid 0 is recognized whan i arrived on windows 7 installation but i can't format. what can i do?
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby hceuterpe » Sat May 08, 2010 3:44 am

Hypothetically speaking, the only thing keeping your driver from letting PATA RAID work in Windows 7 x64 is missing device IDs in the inf file, and then that pesky driver signing issue, yes? If one were to hit F8 every time starting from booting from the CD, the RAID should work (using the nutty faked numbered version...v9.99.09?)

Have you ever heard of ReadyDriver Plus 1.2? It basically does this for you every time, so all you need to do is tap the power button.

I've been meaning to setup my desktop system in RAID 1 (I come from the IT server world, I like redundancy!) as I basically have a spare drive. I can't remember, RAID 1 on an nForce4 in PATA RAID will work with 2 two different sized drives, albeit seeing the equivalent size of the smaller drive?

Can you PM me the modifications you made to your inf files to get PATARAID in x64? I have an idea, but I would like to cross reference, and I would probably only selfishly add the ones I specifically need :lol:

I don't get why you bother keeping the dates in the inf files so out of date if it doesn't matter as you've already broken the driver signing at least once;)
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Fernando 1 » Tue May 18, 2010 11:54 am

hceuterpe wrote:Hypothetically speaking, the only thing keeping your driver from letting PATA RAID work in Windows 7 x64 is missing device IDs in the inf file, and then that pesky driver signing issue, yes? If one were to hit F8 every time starting from booting from the CD, the RAID should work (using the nutty faked numbered version...v9.99.09?)
I doubt, that this would work.
Futhermore none of the actual nForce IDE drivers do support nForce PATARAID Controllers, not even if the needed DeviceID´s are present.

I can't remember, RAID 1 on an nForce4 in PATA RAID will work with 2 two different sized drives, albeit seeing the equivalent size of the smaller drive?
That is correct.

Can you PM me the modifications you made to your inf files to get PATARAID in x64?
Download the original and my modded driver and open the OEM and INF files. This way you can easily verify my modifications.

I don't get why you bother keeping the dates in the inf files so out of date if it doesn't matter as you've already broken the driver signing at least once;)
Which dates of my modded INF files are out of date? I always leave the original dates untouched, because the driver itself (=SYS file) will never be modified by any customization.
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby FilmTraveler » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:56 pm

Note: I'm cross-posting this to a couple of topics where this post seems to fit.

How I got my AMD nForce4 nvRAID working in Win7 with 2TB Advanced Format Drives

I am writing this post in the hopes it might help someone who is having the same problem I had last week. I had an nForce4 AMD SLI system that was working fine in RAID 1 with an earlier package from Fernando, but which stopped working when I tried to upgrade to newer 2TB Western Digital "Advanced Format" drives. I don't know why it didn't work, and I don't know why my solution ended up working, I just know that it did and so maybe it will work for others.

History of the problem

I have an Asus A8N32-SLI mobo (nForce 4 AMD SLI) with BIOS version 1303 (the latest non-beta BIOS), 3 GB RAM, and a 7600GT graphics card. No overclocking. My nvRAID setup was working fine with two Caviar Black 250 GB drives in a mirrored RAID 1 array for a year or two. (I also have my Silicon Image eSATA controller active, running an external Thermaltake swappable drive bay, in case that matters.) I have a separate non-RAID C system drive and use the RAID for extra storage. Thanks to Fernando's amazing work, the system was running smoothly. I have Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and was using the following Fernando package: Fernandos_Vista_64bit_NF4_RAID_WHQL_Driverpack_v5.7.zip.

When I attempted to replace them with 2TB Green drives (WD20EARS), however, the array Status was "Error" instead of "Healthy" in the "View Storage Configuration" screen of the nVidia Control Panel. On that same screen, the first drive read as "Healthy" and the second as "Error." No drive was visible in Disk Management. I figured this may have had something to do with the drives being the newer Western Digital Advanced Format Drive (AFD), or some kind of capacity limit in prior drivers. (The array built fine in the ROM setup and showed Healthy there.) I still don't know if this is part of the problem; mystery to me.

I confirmed both drives were working correctly when not in RAID mode. Then I attempted to upgrade to Fernando's newer package, the "NF4-7 Actual Driverpacks" v 7.2, filename:
Fernandos_Vista_Win7_64bit_Actual_NF4-7_Driverpack_v7.2.rar

This seemed to install successfully, but then NEITHER drive appeared in my nVidia Control Panel, and no array could be created. Device Manager showed that the "NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller" had a yellow flag and an error that it could not start the service, with an Code 10 or Code 13 error (can't remember which). I tried to install many times, many ways, in some cases going back to a ghosted C drive to start over, and this happened every time. This included:
  • Uninstalling all nVidia drivers but the the Display driver and then installing the new ones
  • Installing over the existing ones
  • Doing all of the above and creating the array from blank unpartitioned drives
  • Doing all of the above and creating the array from a drive full of data
  • Installing Fernando's package, then using manual "Have Disk" driver install to apply the official nVidia driver for the SATA controller

None worked. So I was left choosing between two busted scenarios:
1) My drives are detected and nVidia Control Panel lets me build the array, but then the array status is "Error" and simply doesn't work.
2) My drives aren't even detected and the SATA controller is yellowed out in Device Manager.

How I fixed it

After a lot of trial and error, I finally resolved this by following these steps:

1) Plug in the drives, of course, and make sure all the BIOS settings are kosher
2) Uninstall existing drivers (all non-display nVidia drivers), reboot
3) Install Fernando's "NF4-7 Actual Driverpacks" v 7.2, reboot
4) Unzip the official "15.23_nforce_winvista64_international_whql.exe" package which nVIDIA recommended on their own website (Which I found here). Manually copy the official version 10.3.0.42 of "nvstor64.sys" from that package (located in the "IDE\WinVista64\sata_ide" folder) into Windows/system32/Drivers. Reboot. (I was able to just drag and drop--it's possible you might have to do this in Safe Mode or something if it gives you a problem.)

Then I just created the array in Windows and the disk mounted and it works. (I didn't create the array first in the ROM BIOS thingy--I skipped that and just did it in Windows--but I'm sure you could start by doing that without any problem either.) Remember if you then clone a full disk or partition to this new drive you may have to run the WD advanced-format alignment utility--read up on that separately on the Western Digital site. I didn't have to since I just created new partitions from scratch (which Win7 natively recognizes as Advanced Format) and copied everything over with RichCopy.

Anyway, now I have a kind of manual hybrid, with the NF4-7 Actual Driverpacks for everything else (with drivers for RAID listing as version 11.1.0.33) and the official nVIDIA release for just the "NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller" so that the version number of nvstor64.sys is 10.3.0.42.

Anyway, it's been working fine for a few days now. (The only problem I've spotted is that when copying or moving many gigs of data, the last couple of files sometimes copy/move twice and I get prompted to overwrite. I don't know why it's doing that or if it's related, and I generally just allow it to copy over under a new name [i.e. "filename (2).txt"] and it seems to work fine and just creates a weird duplicate. This may be a prior disk-consistency problem and I only mention it in case someone else experiences it, in which case it might indicate a flaw in the brilliant plan.)
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Re: Windows 7 & nVRaid - installation guide

Postby Fernando 1 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:27 am

@ FilmTraveler:
Welcome at nForcersHQ Forum and thank you for your interesting message including the exact procedure about how you got Win7 x64 installed onto your RAID. Congratulations! :sweet:

Before other users with an nForce4 RAID system are trying to follow your guide and may be disappointed about the results, I want to point to some important details:
  1. Neither my "NF4-7 Actual Driverpacks" for Win7/Vista nor NVIDIA's official driver sets 15.23 can be used with nForce4 AMD or nForce4 Intel Edition chipset mainboards. You got the nForce SATA driver 10.3.0.42 installed, because you have a slightly different nForce4 AMD SLI chipset mainboard.
  2. The creation of a RAID array from within a running OS is only possible for users, who want to get a mirrored RAID = RAID1 array. This will not work with RAID0.

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