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SoCal
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 Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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Help! I am going insane! I just want a single, non-raid SATA drive in this box - but no matter what I do I get "No Operating System" after post.
I have tested two different SATA drives, a Maxtor 300gb and a Seagate 500gb. Both are correctly detected by the BIOS, identified correctly and with the correct capacity.
When I boot from a boot disc (I use UBCD4Win) and both drives are fully accessible and you can format / partition at will to the full capacity.
When I boot off of an XP SP2 CD and go through the install, XP detects and partitions / configures either drive correctly- Format is always successful and then it copies over the OS install files... Upon reboot - "No Operating System"
F**&*%!!!
I called Shuttle support and they were useless, they said that they "Read the manual, and the FAQ" well I already did that [Eartha Kitt]- Unfortunately the manual and the FAQ do not mention this problem.
I have checked, rechecked and triple checked the BIOS, Boot Order and Drive Priority. I have flashed with the latest BIOS (2005/5/23) and cleared the CMOS repeatedly-
System boots fine from a 400gb PATA (IDE) drive (I am writing this on it now...)
Someone help me before I commit myself- |
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MiniMax
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| SoCal wrote: |
| When I boot from a boot disc (I use UBCD4Win) and both drives are fully accessible and you can format / partition at will to the full capacity. |
And if you boot off that 400 GB PATA drive with WinXP, can you then see the SATA drive?
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vaioman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| When you try installing to SATA is the IDE drive still connected? |
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SoCal
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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The IDE drive is disconnected when I am trying to install the SATA
Yes, if I boot off of the IDE and leave the SATA attached it shows up just fine, and I can transfer data to and from it.
I have also run CHKDSK /R on the SATA drive and it comes up clean (but DAMN that takes a long time on 500gb) |
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MiniMax
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| SoCal wrote: |
| When I boot off of an XP SP2 CD and go through the install, XP detects and partitions / configures either drive correctly- Format is always successful and then it copies over the OS install files... Upon reboot - "No Operating System" |
I don't think your Shuttle (or Shuttle Inc) is to blame here.
To me, it sounds like the Windows installer, bootloader, or whatever get confused about which device is what, where to look for the O/S, etc.
As a test, I would partition the SATA-disk into 2 partitions, one FAT32, one NTFS.
Install a bootable MS-DOS, DR-DOS, FreeDOS or whatever on the FAT32 partition, and copy the XP-SP2 CD-ROM onto the FAT32 partition.
Then boot of the SATA/FAT32 partition, and start the installer from the disk-copy.
Maybe try to disconnect the PATA disk.
PS: Do you have a (hidden) file called BOOT.INI on the SATA-drive when the boot-process fails? |
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SoCal
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| MiniMax wrote: |
| To me, it sounds like the Windows installer, bootloader, or whatever get confused about which device is what, where to look for the O/S, etc. |
The installer, bootloader, or whatever never loads- The "No Operating System" is a BIOS generated message.
The PATA drive is always disconnected while I am attempting to boot from SATA, the SATA is the only bootable drive in the system in that configuation (outside of a CD). |
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MiniMax
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| SoCal wrote: |
| The installer, bootloader, or whatever never loads- The "No Operating System" is a BIOS generated message. |
Okay - so now there are 2 options:
- The Windows installer did not succeed in installing a proper Master Boot Record.
- The BIOS is unable to load the MBR from an SATA drive.
Using that UBCD4Win CD you have, can you see what the Windows installer has put in the MBR? Does it contain a boot loader and a partition table?
Do you have another PC somewhere, where you can succesfully install Windows on the SATA drive? And then move the drive to your SN41G2 and see if it will boot?
If that works then the SN41G2 BIOS is working fine, and it is the Windows installer that somehow fails to generate a valid MBR on your SN41G2. |
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SoCal
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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You can see the MBR, and I tried "FixMBR" as well as rebuilding the MBR from zero with the Seagate utility...
The MBR looks fine when viewed with utility, there is one partition and it's marked as primary bootable. |
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SoCal
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| MiniMax wrote: |
| Do you have another PC somewhere, where you can succesfully install Windows on the SATA drive? And then move the drive to your SN41G2 and see if it will boot? |
Not at the moment, although I could put something together with some time as I have the pieces about.
Seems a PITA though  |
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MiniMax
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: SN41G2 V3 - Will not boot from onboard SATA |
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| SoCal wrote: |
| MiniMax wrote: |
| To me, it sounds like the Windows installer, bootloader, or whatever get confused about which device is what, where to look for the O/S, etc. |
The installer, bootloader, or whatever never loads- The "No Operating System" is a BIOS generated message. |
Hmmm - I had a look at my MBR (installed with a Danish version of Windows XP Home). Here is how it looks:
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MBR 1-*:
Sector 0 (0 0 1)
000 33 C0 8E D0 BC 00 7C FB 50 07 50 1F FC BE 1B 7C 3м.|P.P..|
010 BF 1B 06 50 57 B9 E5 01 F3 A4 CB BD BE 07 B1 04 ..PW.˽..
020 38 6E 00 7C 09 75 13 83 C5 10 E2 F4 CD 18 8B F5 8n.|.u...
030 83 C6 10 49 74 19 38 2C 74 F6 A0 B5 07 B4 07 8B .It.8,t ..
040 F0 AC 3C 00 74 FC BB 07 00 B4 0E CD 10 EB F2 88 <.t....
050 4E 10 E8 46 00 73 2A FE 46 10 80 7E 04 0B 74 0B N.F.s*F.~..t.
060 80 7E 04 0C 74 05 A0 B6 07 75 D2 80 46 02 06 83 ~..t. .uҀF..
070 46 08 06 83 56 0A 00 E8 21 00 73 05 A0 B6 07 EB F..V..!.s. .
080 BC 81 3E FE 7D 55 AA 74 0B 80 7E 10 00 74 C8 A0 >}Ut.~..t
090 B7 07 EB A9 8B FC 1E 57 8B F5 CB BF 05 00 8A 56 .멋.W˿..V
0A0 00 B4 08 CD 13 72 23 8A C1 24 3F 98 8A DE 8A FC ...r#$?ފ
0B0 43 F7 E3 8B D1 86 D6 B1 06 D2 EE 42 F7 E2 39 56 Cцֱ.B9V
0C0 0A 77 23 72 05 39 46 08 73 1C B8 01 02 BB 00 7C .w#r.9F.s....|
0D0 8B 4E 02 8B 56 00 CD 13 73 51 4F 74 4E 32 E4 8A N.V..sQOtN2
0E0 56 00 CD 13 EB E4 8A 56 00 60 BB AA 55 B4 41 CD V..V.`UA
0F0 13 72 36 81 FB 55 AA 75 30 F6 C1 01 74 2B 61 60 .r6Uu0.t+a`
100 6A 00 6A 00 FF 76 0A FF 76 08 6A 00 68 00 7C 6A j.j.v.v.j.h.|j
110 01 6A 10 B4 42 8B F4 CD 13 61 61 73 0E 4F 74 0B .j.B.aas.Ot.
120 32 E4 8A 56 00 CD 13 EB D6 61 F9 C3 55 67 79 6C 2V..aUgyl
130 64 69 67 20 70 61 72 74 69 74 69 6F 6E 73 74 61 dig partitionsta
140 62 65 6C 00 46 65 6A 6C 20 76 65 64 20 69 6E 64 bel.Fejl ved ind
150 6C 91 73 6E 69 6E 67 20 61 66 20 6F 70 65 72 61 lsning af opera
160 74 69 76 73 79 73 74 65 6D 00 4D 61 6E 67 6C 65 tivsystem.Mangle
170 6E 64 65 20 6F 70 65 72 61 74 69 76 73 79 73 74 nde operativsyst
180 65 6D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 em..............
1B0 00 00 00 00 00 2C 44 6A 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 .....,Dj........
1C0 01 00 1B FE 3F 33 3F 00 00 00 F5 BE 0C 00 80 00 ...?3?......
1D0 01 34 0B FE 3F 65 34 BF 0C 00 B2 41 0C 00 00 00 .4.?e4..A....
1E0 01 66 05 FE FF FF E6 00 19 00 32 E6 D6 10 00 00 .f....2...
1F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 55 AA ..............U
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If you look at bytes 0x12C - 0x143 you will see the text: "Ugyldig partitionstabel" (Invalid partition table).
Next, at 0x145-0x168 is "Fejl ved indlsning af operativsystem" (Error while loading operating system).
And finally, at 0x16A-0x182 is the text "Manglende operativsystem" (Missing operating system).
My guess is, that the message you see (No Operating System), is not is not generated by the BIOS, but is in fact generated by the bootloader embedded in the MBR. I also think, that if out look closer at your MBR, you will find the message "No Operating System" embedded in your MBR.
And the only way the bootloader gets executed is by the BIOS loading the bootloader from the MBR of the active primary disk - your SATA disk - and transfering control to it.
So the BIOS correctly finds your SATA disk, correctly loads the bootloader, but for some reason the bootloader is not able to find the next step in the chain - C:\NTDETECT.COM and C:\NTLDR.
I might be wrong, but I think this is what is happening. It has been a very long time since I partitioned and installed my system.... |
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