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Kleptomaniac
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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Getting an old PATA drive to plug into a SATA MB socket |
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I got an adapter to convert PATA DVD-ROM to SATA DVDROM, to plug into motherboard, which is a Abit NFM2S. The adapter had a power attachment, duely attached, and obviously a SATA socket. I used the supplied cables to attach it to the old PATA DVD-ROM. Not a sausage. No new drive in Windows Vista x64 Premium.
More details : The chipset is Nvidia number 405.
How do I get this drive to work? Is the adapter faulty. The sata cable is yellow, I have a red one, whether this is a diff. type I don't know. The MB (Motherboard) supports 2 x SATA 3 GB/s.
Can you help me out?
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TwL
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, Cable color hardly matters on this one as long the cable itself works usually Asus red ones are Sata2 cables. Not really sure what do you have there usually DVD drives uses DMA 2 on IDE, but sounded like an Sata, hehe you are trying to explain. (Parallel ATA to Sata ? why in earth would someone want to do that I wonder it definedly doesn't need speed.)
You could check BIOS and see what it says about that Sata2 Channel is does it detect the DVD-Drive in there or is this only on the System. Anyhow, reading here for specs a bit. (http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/07/09/msi/). If I come up with anything let you know. hmm, you could also run commands on run... > cmd > black window:
set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
devmgmt.msc
and see if it comes out on device manager with something hoax taking the device place.
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Kleptomaniac
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Continued - What the hell am I on about? |
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The reason I have to do this is that I have two optical drives, both with gawpy IDE connectors and only ONE IDE (the long type) socket on the motherboard.
You get to this situation when they rudely go from parallel to SATA on a new motherboard, which I needed to make a repair. I threw Vista on too, but this is besides the point. ONE HOLE - THREE DRIVES.
Tried you commands mentioned above. devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 THEN devmgmt.msc - this interface shows nothing connected. Nothing that I can see.
I think this adapter is faulty. |
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TwL
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Continued - What the hell am I on about? |
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| Kleptomaniac wrote: |
The reason I have to do this is that I have two optical drives, both with gawpy IDE connectors and only ONE IDE (the long type) socket on the motherboard.
You get to this situation when they rudely go from parallel to SATA on a new motherboard, which I needed to make a repair. I threw Vista on too, but this is besides the point. ONE HOLE - THREE DRIVES.
Tried you commands mentioned above. devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 THEN devmgmt.msc - this interface shows nothing connected. Nothing that I can see.
I think this adapter is faulty. |
Ideally if there would be connection between device and computer that command shows all devices even un-installed (leave behind) ones which should show at least 'unknown device'. If you cannot see any kinda unknown devices there or if you cannot see that DVD-Drive there yeah the I'd say it's either faulty adapter or that would mean even your BIOS can't see the drive as I mentioned to be checked also. So check your BIOS first. Since I doubt if there's an single device attached on box windows wouldn't say something.
For one thing certain even when it would be in from IDE > SATA(2) it would have issues I think I mean on BIOS there can be faulty defaults SO you might wanna try and test your own settings also to slot of Sata where it is.. Like adding there 'CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive'-parameter or something see if it's detected. I'de say if it powers up I mean the power is working and your bios can't find it there is only 2 possibilities either the cable is damaged/faulty OR your bios simply don't understand that sort of attachment. (Would bet a cent on BIOS detection on this case, hehe...).
Anyhow, hope something helps..
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Kleptomaniac
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: BIOS |
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The drive itself does power up. I've been through my BIOS and have put on and off virtually every switch that mentioned "SATA". Nothing.
I'm going to pull it out (pardon the expression), and send the adapter back for a refund. |
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mydian
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| I recently helped my mom with a repair. She ran into the same situation where her new motherboard only had 1 IDE Port but she had 3 IDE devices (2 hard drives, 1 DVD-RW Drive). She went and picked up an adapter and couldn't get it to work either at first so I went over there and looked at it.. she didn't connect the power to something, trying to remember. Either she didn't power the adapter or the hard drive, but once both were powered it worked like a champ. If you connected power to the adapter, and to the IDE device I would say you have a faulty adapter. |
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TwL
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: BIOS |
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| Kleptomaniac wrote: |
The drive itself does power up. I've been through my BIOS and have put on and off virtually every switch that mentioned "SATA". Nothing.
I'm going to pull it out (pardon the expression), and send the adapter back for a refund. |
Accidentally, happened to see this sort of adapter on my work. Got curious and seems on 590i board I tested it with normal power & I have I have here now attached the an the PATA seems working fine. Running Vista and BIOS states it's detected to Phillis DVD-Writer. Begin to think it's something else yeah also on your end since this works like plug & go of course bios'es are different, but still. Correct settings I found out to be best were I added manually DMA 2 mode & tagged the Sata to be 'CD-ROM Drive'-device to bios, but even this doesn't make the difference, if your BIOS cannot even see the device when plugged in. There is only one thing I can think of and that's to move (if there is even) jumper of DVD drive to cable select, but doubt it works, but was thikning if this would have to be done by/as IDE detected even while on sata for some reason on your end.. 
anyhow, yeah, I'd say send the adapter back it should detect something at least on bios when attached.
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Kleptomaniac
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Hello you two |
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Well I'm chuffed to death with the replies and help. I DO have 3 PATA devices and only one socket (which takes 2 devices). I'm certain it was powered as I left it out the case, and the small LED was lit up on the board hanging out the back, and the drive would open and close it's drawer.
So, it's the BIOS or the adapter. I don't have another SATA device to test whther my BIOS is OK with SATA, but considering they are on the board and just "plug-and-go" type things, most likely it's faulty.
I still have it, but worked on it for 6 hours or more yesterday, and was going to upgrade the BIOS with no floppy (you have to boot the thing from floppy), and just gave up.
I got that funny feeling that I had turned into a small rodent. |
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TwL
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Hello you two |
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| Kleptomaniac wrote: |
Well I'm chuffed to death with the replies and help. I DO have 3 PATA devices and only one socket (which takes 2 devices). I'm certain it was powered as I left it out the case, and the small LED was lit up on the board hanging out the back, and the drive would open and close it's drawer.
So, it's the BIOS or the adapter. I don't have another SATA device to test whther my BIOS is OK with SATA, but considering they are on the board and just "plug-and-go" type things, most likely it's faulty. |
Well, dunno which is it since I cannot be sure does the bios detect it correctly even if the adapter would be good. Tho I have no experience on this matter just saying what my system did with simlar situation.. I'd try to remove one IDE device and try with then maybe it tryies to locate there.. who knows.. but 590i it goes in clean plug and go and appear on sata placement on bios.
| Kleptomaniac wrote: |
I still have it, but worked on it for 6 hours or more yesterday, and was going to upgrade the BIOS with no floppy (you have to boot the thing from floppy), and just gave up.
I got that funny feeling that I had turned into a small rodent. |
I wouldn't go for BIOS updates that's way too damn risky business.. considering what's the break rate in it, hehe.. Anyhow, I'd more than likely in your situation try a new cable they cost near nothing as far I know and I doubt there's actually an situation to do what you are trying to do, atm.. What I mean is 2 IDE device is way enough as todays systems are developed to Sata.. and New sata2 root's costs near nothing.. you can get 60Gb and clone that with HDD cloning software or bootable tools from current and get much faster end up..
(Tho, that's only my opinion) |
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LostBok
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I assume you're got one power cable powering up the adapter and another powering up the drive?
try the adapter on an ide hdd, just to test it's compatibility - I'm pretty sure my Abit IDE to SATA worked with optical drives, but still worth a test.
also try changing between CS or MA (Cable Select / Master) on the HDD, pretty sure the Abit ones prefer CS, but I can't be certain.
then (hopefully) once that is working with the HDD, switch back to the optical drive 
failing that:
sounds like the drive is being powered up okay (drive opens and closes) - but that only confirms the 12V to the drive, not the 5V or any of the power to the adapter: so you have the mechanics working, but not the electronics, so the other thing to check is that the Molex plug is getting a steady 5V and 12V and that both ground connectors are working to the drive AND check the power to the adapter (use an old floppy drive if u don't have a multimeter/power tester block).
after that start swapping out things like the SATA cable (or even better testing it on each pin with a multimeter). |
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