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magnus
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: Any stable vista drivers supportin S.M.A.R.T.? |
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Messing about with a exta system running a m2m sli deluxe and noticed nvidia left out smart support.
Besides going back to the latest xp drivers to get smart support in vista is there any vista drivers that are stable and have S.M.A.R.T. support.
Looked through the threads but theres alot of them and some are unclear on if they do are not.
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TwL
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Any stable vista drivers supportin S.M.A.R.T.? |
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| magnus wrote: |
Messing about with a exta system running a m2m sli deluxe and noticed nvidia left out smart support.
Besides going back to the latest xp drivers to get smart support in vista is there any vista drivers that are stable and have S.M.A.R.T. support.
Looked through the threads but theres alot of them and some are unclear on if they do are not.
Thanks |
hmm, well wouldn't call any solution on Vista to get S.M.A.R.T. working an stabile, but if I were you and not using RAID. I'd uninstall every single driver on box including the v8.22/33, turn off the Windows update.. This will reveal the 'Standard IDE Controller' for your use on Vista systems which is on some cases even faster than anything else out there, but this surely isn't stabile solution in the way it has some spin down problems.
However, this is very well working solution to get S.M.A.R.T. working on vista clean. There ain't any drivers by Nvidia to support S.M.A.R.T., if that is what you are looking for.. More you can check on sticky thread benchmarking, if you wanna see the full situation..
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Ofcourse there is some chances on architecture changes of x86/x64 systems of vista to bunch in S.M.A.R.T. functioning driver, but I'd say that's quite damn risky business to play with your files as most will generate corruptions by usage style of driver to system, but just for mention..
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magnus
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the response.
Presently iam using the last issued drivers for xp .
Strangely enough they seem to work better then the vista drivers and i have had no spin down issues i had with the windows update drivers.
Smart works and all is stable without a single issue.
I would say boot up is a bit slower but not much and a small price to pay.
Wonder why no smart function in vista drivers as i can see no reason for it not to be . |
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TwL
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| magnus wrote: |
Thanks for the response.
Presently iam using the last issued drivers for xp .
Strangely enough they seem to work better then the vista drivers and i have had no spin down issues i had with the windows update drivers.
Smart works and all is stable without a single issue.
I would say boot up is a bit slower but not much and a small price to pay.
Wonder why no smart function in vista drivers as i can see no reason for it not to be . |
So, assuming you got there Vista x86 I guess and you are using XP drivers on it? Curious what exact versions of Sata driver are you now using from XP drivers to vista?
Perhaps I'll take a look to x64 also since basically the v6.99 on x64 works also for smart and they are after all newer than the Standart IDE drivers. However, this would stil have to go to modded section or something. I know there's some serious issues by using some of drivers. |
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magnus
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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You assume correct.
Vista Ultimate 32 bit.
Driver 5.10.2600.666 or simply the last driver for windows xp 32 from the nvidia site.
I have yet to see any issues at all and since its used as a work around for those using everest and SFkilla sidebar ,gadget problems would have been reported by now.[/img] |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| magnus wrote: |
You assume correct.
Vista Ultimate 32 bit.
Driver 5.10.2600.666 or simply the last driver for windows xp 32 from the nvidia site.
I have yet to see any issues at all and since its used as a work around for those using everest and SFkilla sidebar ,gadget problems would have been reported by now.[/img] |
Yeah, the problems.... Well, you will not see the problem before you update the driver to something or use another system and then it probably will corrupt whole driver with chkdsk, if used long/install etc anything that writes, but some does actually work v6.66 is ok. v6.86 is good but doesn't include your required supports and v6.99 has smart, but then again has also a lot of bugs on this kinda use.
but it's kinda curious gonna do some testing maybe the v6.66 or perhaps v6.99 could be safely used on Vista x64 systems after all. Which would give these drivers change to support smart on Vista all the way that would be quite nice change. |
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magnus
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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That concern of drive corruption was at the top of my mind but i was feeling adventurous and maybe alittle self destructive that day...lol.
These drivers were first suggested sometime ago over in the everest forum to get around nvidias lack of smart support.
In the whole time vistas been out there hasn't been one report of drive corruption using these drivers so i felt fairly safe.
Considering i have 5 drives including a western digital 500gb mybook i have seen nothing.
It could be that different nvidia chip types may not like this driver for vista but one would think this would have been reported by now.
As for vista 64 i seem to remember that the drivers were also tried .
h**p://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2378&st=20
Hope that helps.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| magnus wrote: |
That concern of drive corruption was at the top of my mind but i was feeling adventurous and maybe alittle self destructive that day...lol.
These drivers were first suggested sometime ago over in the everest forum to get around nvidias lack of smart support.
In the whole time vistas been out there hasn't been one report of drive corruption using these drivers so i felt fairly safe.
Considering i have 5 drives including a western digital 500gb mybook i have seen nothing.
It could be that different nvidia chip types may not like this driver for vista but one would think this would have been reported by now.
As for vista 64 i seem to remember that the drivers were also tried .
h**p://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2378&st=20
Hope that helps. |
could you re-read what I wrote. (little paste: You will not see the failure on those drivers).
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yeah Lavalys probably suggestes these no doubt, but they still doesn't understand how the writing works by these drivers on vista system.
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but yeah I am atm here benchmarking v6.66 v6.86 & v6.99 of XP drivers installed at x64 Vista. Seems very good drivers and this is very curious in a way that they work near perfectly at Vista including S.M.A.R.T. informations. Adding extra benchmarks on my Benchmarking thread and some info as soon finished benching and testing.
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Added resutls on Benchmarking thread at Here Not looking very good for these drivers. Watch for the removal process note it has some nasty things to not allow system to boot at all after update or remove. Also has the corruption issues as said before when going back to new drivers everything these writes could be compromised & marked as errorous by new drives and chkdsk.
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magnus
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I think you miss understood.
I have seen no corruption on any drive and i have gone back and forth more then a few times already.
This could be hard drive or chipset related since there is so many now.
Expected a driver slow down since these are older drivers.
I not to surprised about about boot issue on changing drivers as this is a risk when ever we do this.
Up side though they aren't perfect they are less of a risk then most for getting smart or raid.
Of course this is windows vista so corruption isn't too unexpected...lol
Man nvidia slow getting chipset drivers out these days.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| magnus wrote: |
I think you miss understood.
I have seen no corruption on any drive and i have gone back and forth more then a few times already.
This could be hard drive or chipset related since there is so many now.
Expected a driver slow down since these are older drivers.
I not to surprised about about boot issue on changing drivers as this is a risk when ever we do this.
Up side though they aren't perfect they are less of a risk then most for getting smart or raid.
Of course this is windows vista so corruption isn't too unexpected...lol
Man nvidia slow getting chipset drivers out these days. |
That is good news, if you have seen and there wouldn't be corruptions. Very good actually considering these are near as fast actually then any Vista driver with full support / except Hot swap, but I'm afread there still is corruptions while using these they will show their ugly faces when it writes the MFT & Metadata zones and when the naming space gets corrupted that starts damaging all files on the partition. This only comes on picture when you have had these installed for a while I hard drive is written by it's style and switching back to new drivers or bottom drivers will trying to correct the errorous sections with file system comes up with corruptions it cannot restore. |
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